i create music and i have a difficult time finishing projects. it seems easier if it is something off the cuff like a joke, but when it comes to making serious music, it gets tricky. those who create understand that art can really be a vulnerable thing. it's like being naked in a sense.
so...it is a complex thing for me to understand. sometimes i think that it because i have too weighty of expectations. i am quite hard on myself when it comes to such things.... linked to self-esteem? it has always been difficult for me to anylize myself...
music is my passion. it really is. i know i am capable of beautiful things, but i feel stuck.
can anyone relate or does anyone have any thoughts?
so...it is a complex thing for me to understand. sometimes i think that it because i have too weighty of expectations. i am quite hard on myself when it comes to such things.... linked to self-esteem? it has always been difficult for me to anylize myself...
music is my passion. it really is. i know i am capable of beautiful things, but i feel stuck.
can anyone relate or does anyone have any thoughts?
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Thu, September 8, 2005 - 10:47 AMMaybe make the things you create into shorter things. I know that sounds simple, but as a writer, I tried and tried to finish stories and finally I realized, what I was really writing was poetry. And I changed to poetry format and now it comes much, much easier. I have the exact same "problem" you have and I understand, it is very frustrating. Does that help? -
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Fri, September 9, 2005 - 5:19 PMyes it does help! i am going to try this actually. maybe if i just record a lot of smaller peices within the same structure and sew them together.
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Fri, September 9, 2005 - 7:04 PMMaybe you're not ready to finish some of these things.
If you can do a better job of finishing them later, then why not wait? -
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Sun, September 11, 2005 - 8:32 AMI have several creative and professional pursuits; this is my problem. Many snippets of musical tracks live in wait of finishing, cupboards glare at me as I pass the kitchen because I haven't given them that last coat of paint yet. Etc.
I am attempting to live by my new rule: better to accomplish one thing well than to leave a trail of rubble in my wake.
And so I am making a short list of things to accomplish/finish: one creative, one professional, one personal each week.
We'll see how that goes....
The best of luck to you!
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Mon, September 12, 2005 - 7:17 PMHaving big expectations for yourself is tricky. If you lower your expectations, your creativity might feel compromised. So it is definitely a great idea to set some practical limits for yourself as Brandy suggested. As for your concern about the overall project feeling disjointed, you might be able to smooth out any rough edges.
Also consider that maybe it is something else. If your inspiration or motivation wanes, there might be a reason for it. Sometimes taking a break from a project & switching gears to something else could either refresh your enthusiasm or allow you time to re-evaluate the original plan.
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Tue, September 20, 2005 - 4:42 AMI have the same problem. I always tell myself that I have time to re-write or re-record, and that if I don't like the result, nobody has to see it but me; at least I'll learn something from making the piece. If you expect everything to be pure gold, you'll never be happy living in the ebb and flow of the creative process. My model for the creative process is Sylvia Plath. She finished every poem she started, even if she had to kick it around for years, but if she didn't think it was worth publishing, she kept it for herself. It was the process that she focused on.
Wow... I can't believe I just used Sylvia Plath as a positive example of mental health. -
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Tue, September 20, 2005 - 7:00 AMi, I wonder how you finish other things in life: household chores, relationships, jobs.
Can you think of examples in life where you ended something, said goodbye to it, and didn't look back? -
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Tue, September 20, 2005 - 7:16 AMUsually, I end things when they're as good as they can be (as in household chores), while acknowledging that I may need to/want to go back to them later. Other times, I end things because I don't want them in my life anymore. If an experience is impersonal, but negative, I don't really feel it (I don't want a second date with X, I never want to see that crappy apartment again, etc.). But when the ending does involve some kind of loss, I think I process things in a spiralling sort of way. I just sort of let myself experience the grief. Eventually it fades. Then, for some reason, I'll be in a place where I can experience the loss again, and I try to be honest with myself about how I feel, until it fades again. As it comes up & comes up, I analyze it and try to figure out what it has to teach me, and the more I learn from it, the less intense the feelings are. I have PTSD, so there are some life experiences that I can't just "get over", but I do think that I can acknowledge the role that those experiences have played in shaping my personality and adding to my store of wisdom.
That was long-winded, but I hope it helps. -
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Tue, September 20, 2005 - 8:55 AMNah, I wanted a specific example of a time when you (or i) finished something and felt good about it. -
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Wed, September 21, 2005 - 1:45 PMJM -
Every. single. school. assignment. I. ever. had. -
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Wed, September 21, 2005 - 2:14 PMSo how'd you feel when you finished? -
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Wed, September 21, 2005 - 2:33 PMReady to never think about it again and forget it. The knowledge that I'd forget 80% of it, whether I wanted to or not and like it was one step closer to getting through the bullshit that is education in order to do what I really wanted to do. -
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Wed, September 21, 2005 - 2:34 PMSo can you give me an example of something you finished that you didn't think of as bullshit? -
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Thu, September 22, 2005 - 12:52 PMSorry, JM....um......no. Most of the things I finish I am glad I finished them, because, along the way, I realized they were bullshit. ha ha. -
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Thu, September 22, 2005 - 3:06 PMWhat if we replace the word 'finished' with 'completed?'
Would you say most of the things you completed were bullshit? -
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Thu, September 22, 2005 - 4:49 PMJM-
Well, mmm....good question....I don't know. I tend to not think about things I've completed, once I completed them. Oh yes, the completion of sex (so to speak), that's never bullshit.
I think you mean deadlines and stuff like that, though. I guess a feeling of satisfaction of having it completed and the fact that I don't want to think about it any more. Why do you keep asking? Are you looking for a specific answer? -
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Fri, September 23, 2005 - 3:49 AMYes. I'm looking for a specific example.
I want to test a theory that people who say 'I never finish anything' actually DO finish some things, and by talking about times they DID finish something, they can learn to think of themselves as people who finish things - and then go on to finish what it is they're having a hard time finishing. -
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Fri, September 23, 2005 - 11:48 AMAs I see it, the artistic process is different from other processes for those who are not making a living on it and don't expect to. Because quality is more important than quantity, finishing something is only one part of the larger process which has several other stages or components. These stages or components have to be decisively addressed before something can be finished; things will remain unfinished until at least a tentative conclusion can be met about how best to proceed with the other stages or components of the process. It's quite often better to contemplate a creative problem as long as necessary for an answer to become apparent than to rush or skip ahead simply in order to get some sense of closure or completion on a work that it less than it might have been with a little more patience and extended consideration.
In my own case, I mostly write string quartet music. I work on many pieces a little bit at a time in rotation. If I'm having a block with one of them, it's often present in several others, so it will tend to be worth thinking about rather thoroughly from many angles. If I find a solution, it will often result in progress on several pieces. I consider a score to be 'done' when I no longer see any reason to add or change any pitches or durations. Usually, though, I'll not complete notating tempi, dynamics or articulations until some time later. At that point, I MAY make pitch and/or duration revisions.
I understand that stone sculptors mostly can't work this way. Their studios would either fill up with vaguely misshaped marble blocks or they would gradually 'revise' buddha-like figures down into skeletons. Your medium constrains your process, but if your medium is text (or music notation), there's very little physical material involved, so there's not necessarily any reason other than time, itself, not to keep reworking things until they're as good as they can get.
See how many books Herman Melville wrote and how many books Danielle Steele has written. Which books would you rather have attributed to you?
It's easy to assume that Steele thinks more about quantity and deadlines than did Melville, but we don't really know what their pocesses are.
If you at least have a draft and you don't NEED to sell it to anyone, why not take your time and get it right? Steele may have made a pile of money in the 80's and 90's, but in 100 years, most people will probably prefer to read Moby Dick repeatedly, rather than to read any number of Steele's books. That's what a 'classic' is.
Stephen King is an intersting case. He just writes and writes and writes. Some good. Some not so good. I'll bet you anything, though, that he starts A LOT more stories than he finishes every year.
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Sat, September 24, 2005 - 8:06 AMamen brother. and i will just add that in my case with music, creation is coupled with vulnerability in a huge way. this sort of expression is an opening of myself that can rarely be uttered in conversation. an expression of the otherwise inexpressible. -
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Sat, September 24, 2005 - 8:07 AMoh me oh my. i made that point at the beginning.
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Mon, September 26, 2005 - 5:15 PMDisorganization is a problem many creative types face. It's easy for us to start with an idea, be so enthusiastic about it and dive right in and feel the idea swell into something wonderful before us. Or in your case, in your mind, aurally, and then through some instrument, audio-ally (heh-heh, sorry, don't know the word). And then ... you stop. Life is but a series of distractions anyway. So ... how to focus? And stay focused?
Well, if you find yourself being hard on yourself and analyzing yourself ... you're creating unnecessary distractions. Right? So stop being hard on yourself and analyzing yourself. And when you realize you're being hard on yourself and analyzing yourself, just tell yourself Stop!
Then get back to your music. And eat a carrot. Or chomp on a celery stick.
In other words, stop thinking neurotically. Think creatively. And musically. And passionately so. And let the music come, baby! And feed yourself good, nutritious food.
I've read some on creativity and creative types -- photographers, composers, painters, writers, poets. Sometimes something in the making needs breathing space. So the mind can better solve whatever creative problem needs solving. Not everything created gets made in record time. There's a story about Brahms. Some great composition he'd written 20 years before, well, a friend found him reworking it. When asked why, Brahms said, It needed a little finishing.
On the other end of the scale, there's the wonderful writer Sinclair Lewis. A prolific writer. Do you know why? Because everyday, five days a week, he made himself sit in front of his typewriter. And he pounded out 5,000 words of fiction. Every work day. Now that's organization. And discipline.
And then there's the story about Rachmaninoff. As a young man, he wanted to be a great, great pianist. So he'd lock himself in his room and practice, practice, practice for hours and hours, stopping only when he realized the urgency of his hunger or need to relieve himself. And does anybody remember him for his piano playing?
And remember that scene in "Amadeus," when somebody asked Mozart how he knew how his music would sound, if he hadn't written it yet? "Because it's in here," he said, tapping his head.
If the music is in your head, and heart, make it come alive on paper. Or however you do it. Yes, j?
BSD
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Tue, September 27, 2005 - 2:26 PMyes...it is discipline and the ability to let go i suppose. thankyou -
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Mon, October 10, 2005 - 10:13 PMI occasionally try to write music, too, and if I ever really want to get anything done, I have to make myself a work schedule and keep at it. I can't wait for creative inspiration to strike and motivate me.
Even then, I will write a song and record a couple of versions of it, and then abandon it. It's a whole nother step for me to work on making polished, final recordings, because of performance aspects, but also because engineering recordings is a whole other ball of wax that requires its own kind of work.
If I want to get the song to the next stage, I have to again make a work schedule and resign myself to starting all over again from scratch with the recording process, trying version after version.
It tends to turn play into work a little too much for me, so I mostly just have a bunch of demo-type material sitting around.
I was reading the liner notes to some old album the other day and saw that the version of a song included was 'take 42'...that's a lot of takes!
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