it all started

topic posted Mon, November 28, 2005 - 11:53 AM by  JM
when my father was sitting on the floor with me in my room, while I cried about how it sucked to wear a scoliosis brace, when already I had to wear glasses and braces.
My dad said, "Well, we got you glasses just as soon as we knew you were nearsighted, and we sent you to the orthodontist just as soon as the dentist told us to..."
But I wasn't trying to criticize him for delaying getting me glasses. I just wanted him to understand this was hard for me, and show he understood.

Now, every time I tell a guy I feel bad about something, they take it as a personal critique and start defending themselves - when most often it's just a call for sympathy.
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  • Re: it all started

    Mon, November 28, 2005 - 8:39 PM
    and it all started when I had to wear leg braces, had cataract surgery in my late 20's because of a genetic going blind factor, actual rotator cuff surgery (both) in my 30's and now have torn disks, I know there is a bunch of other stuff.....funny thing is I didnt start thinking about all of these things until I saw other people mention their problems here...I guess its all relative...It doesnt matter if I dont mind..or however the saying goes..anyway, I look at it this way, I had to be reminded of all my problems... so I guess I am okay.
    • JM
      JM
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      Re: it all started

      Tue, November 29, 2005 - 10:05 AM
      Hey. I thought this was a private session.
      *walks out of office, arranges self on next couch*

      So, Doc, the problem is, every time I try to explain that I feel bad about something, people take it as a personal attack on themselves...
      • Re: it all started

        Tue, November 29, 2005 - 10:57 AM
        There must be a whole gamut of sympathy giving and receiving skills.
        It should be a subject taught in high school.
        Sympathy 101.
        I'm confused about it even now.
        Though I think perhaps now I offer sympathy better than I receive it.

        JM - when people react defensively, do you assure them that it's not about them (if it isn't about them)?
        • JM
          JM
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          Re: it all started

          Tue, November 29, 2005 - 10:59 AM
          Uh... no... I usually feel too hurt, and feel they're turning the situation around to focus on their own hurt.

          Kind of like the exchange that happened at the beginning of this thread.

          Thanks. Actually, that really helped.
          • Re: it all started

            Fri, December 2, 2005 - 1:25 AM
            JM,

            Sometimes people are too narcissistic to really hear anything that doesn't pertain to them. Or, as you have experienced, they interpret your situation in terms of how it pertains to them. (As a parent of grown kids, too, I know how parents can blame themselves for their children's problems, and so it can be somewhat natural to jump to that place of guilt, which can manifest as defensiveness.)

            The thing is, you need to share your feelings and experiences with someone, and you are expecting a certain reaction. Maybe you need to expect that people will react how they naturally will react, and communicate your needs based on that fact. I don't mean to say that you are wrong in trying to share your feelings; you *should* be able to share what what is going on with you with your family and others you care about. But if you know you might receive a self-centered type of response when you need sympathy or empathy, perhaps it would be good to tell the other person what you need from them before passing on what's going on for you.

            For example, I have a boss who, if I tell him about something I'm having feelings or problems with, will immediately jump to solve the problem unless I tell him to begin with that I need to share something with him, but he has to promise not to do anything, just listen.

            So maybe with certain people it would be more satisfying for you to tell your dad, for example, that you want to talk about something and you appreciate all he has done for you and are not criticizing him as a parent, you just want to talk about your feelings and pain around things that have challenged you. Put as a request for him to just hear you, maybe he would just hear you.

            I also realize that some people aren't capable of this even when it's couched in these kind of terms, but I wonder if it might give you a better shot at being heard.

            Best of luck to you.
            • JM
              JM
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              Re: it all started

              Sat, December 3, 2005 - 1:32 PM
              Thanks.

              Yeah... this is especially hard when dealing with narcissists.

              But I'll be back here to read your post again before I try this again....
              • Re: it all started

                Tue, December 6, 2005 - 10:47 PM
                I'm glad that helped, JM.

                I also like S.Archer's idear: ..."when people react defensively, do you assure them that it's not about them (if it isn't about them)? "

                if you want to go for it without preamble but have to explain your needs in the end.

                I've had to do this before, it going something like, "Hmmm, I see how you could see it that way/feel affected by this, etc., but actually, this is really about me and how <whatever> affected me. So if you look at it that way, what do you feel about <whatever>."

                In which case they may turn around and actually listen and respond empathetically, or they may respond with narcissism again, both responses giving me good feedback about what to expect next time.

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