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I have suffered from low self esteem for a good part of my life. I blaim it on my upbringing. We were always the poor relatives. My parents always argued about money (not enough of it). When I was 8 my mother gave birth to my brother who was born severly mentally retarded and deformed. BUT, I think I pulled myself up "by my bootstraps" and now at the age of 62, I feel pretty good about myself. Married to the same woman who I met in college for 40 years, Two good and pretty sucessful kids. A house, 2 cars 2 dogs and a cat, Paying my taxes and mortgage (although it's getting to be a struggle).
But, having lived through my rocky beginnings, I can't stand narcessistic behavior in others. There are two people in particular I have a problem with. My son's wife. She is so freaken perky and happy and la-de-da, I want to kill her! Whenever I go on facebook she has 10 or 15 new posts making statements about how wonderful she is, how "amazing" she is etc. All of these accompanied by new profile pictures showing her in more and more "galmourous" poses. I don't know how my son lives with her?
Next is a "friend" we have had for about 38 years. A guy who is married to a great lady friend. If it weren't for her I wouldn't have anything to do with this guy. He is so narcissistic and self centered it's unbelievable. He hates to come to our house because he likes you to be at his house so he can be in control.
First there is Eating: When there, if we order food in, it has to be what he likes. He sits down at the table and serves himself first, usually hogging any special dishes. He has no qualms about telling you you shouldn't take too much of this or that. He gets up to get himself what he likes to drink, never asking if anybody else wants anything.
Then there is his belittleing behavior: over the years we have given this couple various gifts for various occasions. On his 50 th birthday we gave him an authentic, original framed 1969 Woodstock poster. It was a real one not a reproduction. Last year when they redid their den I aksed where they had put the poster (which when we gave it to him was worth about $500-$800, by now it would fetch over $1000 at auction) He said, "Oh that thing, it's down in the basement with all the other old crap." When I said it was not crap but a valuable poster, he INSISTED that I had told him it was a repro and not worth much.
His son, who is a lot like him was out of work for a few years. Knowing the kid was good with computers, my wife set him up for an interview with a software company president she knew. The son got the job...a very good, high paying job. A few years later when the tech bubble burst and the company went under, my wife mentioned how bad she felt because she had gotten him the job. Our "friend" jumpped up exclaiming, "YOU didn't get him the job, he got it on his own!!!"
And on and on little things like that that drive me crazy. As I've said, we've been friends with this couple for 38 years. I'd love to tell him off, but my wife would kill me if I did. but every time we're with them, my skin crawls.
But, having lived through my rocky beginnings, I can't stand narcessistic behavior in others. There are two people in particular I have a problem with. My son's wife. She is so freaken perky and happy and la-de-da, I want to kill her! Whenever I go on facebook she has 10 or 15 new posts making statements about how wonderful she is, how "amazing" she is etc. All of these accompanied by new profile pictures showing her in more and more "galmourous" poses. I don't know how my son lives with her?
Next is a "friend" we have had for about 38 years. A guy who is married to a great lady friend. If it weren't for her I wouldn't have anything to do with this guy. He is so narcissistic and self centered it's unbelievable. He hates to come to our house because he likes you to be at his house so he can be in control.
First there is Eating: When there, if we order food in, it has to be what he likes. He sits down at the table and serves himself first, usually hogging any special dishes. He has no qualms about telling you you shouldn't take too much of this or that. He gets up to get himself what he likes to drink, never asking if anybody else wants anything.
Then there is his belittleing behavior: over the years we have given this couple various gifts for various occasions. On his 50 th birthday we gave him an authentic, original framed 1969 Woodstock poster. It was a real one not a reproduction. Last year when they redid their den I aksed where they had put the poster (which when we gave it to him was worth about $500-$800, by now it would fetch over $1000 at auction) He said, "Oh that thing, it's down in the basement with all the other old crap." When I said it was not crap but a valuable poster, he INSISTED that I had told him it was a repro and not worth much.
His son, who is a lot like him was out of work for a few years. Knowing the kid was good with computers, my wife set him up for an interview with a software company president she knew. The son got the job...a very good, high paying job. A few years later when the tech bubble burst and the company went under, my wife mentioned how bad she felt because she had gotten him the job. Our "friend" jumpped up exclaiming, "YOU didn't get him the job, he got it on his own!!!"
And on and on little things like that that drive me crazy. As I've said, we've been friends with this couple for 38 years. I'd love to tell him off, but my wife would kill me if I did. but every time we're with them, my skin crawls.
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Re: How do you handle a narcissist?
Tue, March 24, 2009 - 2:26 AMHi henry..I think because of your memories..despite how you feel now, which is good..your tolerance levels to people you see as narcisstic are low.
They all sound really challenging people.
But remember your own rocky beginnings & realise that some people who manifest over exaggerated facets, are hiding inner insecurities as well..they just deal with it differently.
With the last person you spoke of your friends husband..he just sounds a jerk who hasn`t had anybody take him to task..how can a person know unless others check them?..Is your friend submissive to him?..that could explain his getting away with stuff that other partners may not tolerate, then passing that behaviour down to his son.
It can be very tempting to take the side of your friend & get emotionally involved, when none of you really know the dynamics of that relationship.
Sometimes because people don`t want to cause troubles or keep to social friendships there..so don`t tell this guy his behaviour is both selfish, inhumane & not in any way attractive or mature. Mybe your wife should try to understand that none of you should continue in this friendship, despite your fellings for the lady..because you are all condoning this behaviour by your silence!
His son is only doing what he has learnt & watched from his fathers behaviour.
I am not a psychologist, rather was a counsellor some years ago & now write about the sexual personnae which involves all our reactions to issues in life.
Hope this helps henry.
What male role models does this guy have? maybe it would be worth asking that..then you see the type of male identity he relates to. -
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Re: How do you handle a narcissist?
Sun, March 29, 2009 - 5:02 PMThanks Lynne,
I understand about people trying to overcompensate for an inner feeling of low self esteme. I thinks that's the trouble with my daughter-in-law. But the friend is another story. He was born into a family that was always pretty comfortable financially. Since we know the couple for so long I got to meet his parents when they were alive. His father, although also born into a good family business was a nice enough guy. BUT, the mother was a real piece of work. Imagine Margaret Dumont of the Marx Brothers Movies, mixed with that tall skinny lady who was the lawyer on the Beverly Hillbillies and you have his mother. Constantly making pronouncements, pontificating, demanding, acting like everyone around her were her "royal" subjects. His wife is a sweetheart and has always been there for my wife during the ups and downs of life so we would never end our friendship with them. -
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Re: How do you handle a narcissist?
Mon, March 30, 2009 - 1:15 AMsounds like your friend has learned behaviour from his mother. he prob doesnt mean to bug others. he just might know any better. don't have expectations for him to be any other way and it might not bother you as much. -
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Re: How do you handle a narcissist?
Tue, April 7, 2009 - 10:56 AMI avoid narcissists at all costs.
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