Scary Smart: Does Enormously High IQ Always Point to Greatness

topic posted Wed, November 2, 2005 - 6:49 AM by  Unsubscribed
Every few years a child was/. is spotlighted as breaking the IQ curve, of being dubbed an amazing Whiz kid who has the unending potential of being polymaths a la Leonardo, another Einstein, or perhaps a prodigal Mozart. For those who consistently score in the 99th percentile or beyond of super nova brightness, it is assumed or perhaps it is merely a projection, that they all have the ability to become leaders in whatever field they decide it is worthy of their time to pursue. That they are in fact slumming with the rest of us Average Joes and Janes when their potential for greatness is already assured.

A high profile example is Marilyn Vos Savant who it is reported I believe that has had the highest recorded IQ, but What has she done with this wealth of intelligence other than write books on how to think like a genius and expound bits of advice in parade Magazine. What of the Terman children who were basically engineered to be great. Are they all Noble Prize winners, harbingers of Peace, have eliminated World Hunger and have brought unparalleled beauty in Art, Music, and Literature to everyone.

And what of all those 9 and 10 year olds that finished college and medical school. Have they contributed anything of merit that would justify why we place so much importance on a High IQ? What are the benefits besides a membership into Mensa and Self-Congratulatory societies that appreciate your smartness and brightness because the rest of are to un-evolved and unimaginative to get them?

Is Gardner merely appeasing the rest of us with his 7 Intelligences or Goldman’s EQ as a liberal attempt to lessen the impact of what IQ measures and that their approach is to make the rest of us feel better that we will always be merely average and thus limited, but at least we can see we are spiritually superior, more empathetic inclined and more Kinesthetic than Albert Einstein or Asberger Gates.
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  • "Does Enormously High IQ Always Point to Greatness?"

    No.

    Wasn't it Einstein who said he'd rather have imagination than intelligence?

    Well, he had a lot of both. A highly creative man and independent thinker.

    Einstein never took an IQ test but some have rated him as being within the 160 to 190 range. Creatives tend not to have measurably high IQs, averaging in the 120s. Yet their impact on society can be considered great, if not phenomenal.

    How smart is Steve Jobs? Smart enough to hire a lot of great talent. More creative than Bill Gates. Do these men have high IQs?

    Years ago I read up on some of Terman's smart young people. They weren't, as you stated, "engineered to be great." They were smart kids who tested in the gifted range (above 135) who tended to be well-adjusted and, for the most part, in loving families and were available for Terman and his research associates to follow up on. They didn't fit the stereotype of being weak and unable to run or throw a ball; they were in fact mostly physically adept at sports. And they grew up to be smart old people with careers and families. Don't remember if greatness was something any of them sought or got.

    But here's a quote from an online article:

    "Terman pledged not to release their names, and most never publicly declared their participation. Nonetheless, about 30 names have come out over the years -- including several Termites whose involvement was announced only in their obituaries. The group included some prominent figures, like physiologist Ancel Keys, who discovered the link between cholesterol and heart disease; physicist Norris Bradbury, former director of the Los Alamos National Laboratory; Life journalist Shelley Smith Mydans, '36; and Hollywood big shots Edward Dmytryk and Jess Oppenheimer (see sidebar). We also know that two children who were tested but didn't make the cut -- William Shockley and Luis Alvarez -- went on to win the Nobel Prize in Physics. According to Hastorf, none of the Terman kids ever won a Nobel or Pulitzer."

    Source: www.stanfordalumni.org/news/m...an.html
  • That is a great question, Moon...

    It seems to revisit the 'nature or nurture' debate, in terms of which contributes more to future success; innate genius or an enriched environment at some crucial early stage.

    Personally, I don't think that success is the inevitable perquisite of genius in art or politics.

    Ability to focus, hard work and devotion, and cultivating a belief in oneself and one's cause, are still in order.

    I console myself (somewhat) with thoughts like the following, from George Bernard Shaw;

    "There is nothing more mischievous than the notion that my works are the mere play of a delightfully clever and whimsical hero of the salons; they are the result of perfectly straightforward drudgery, beginning in the ineptest novel-writing juvenility, and persevered in every day for years. Anybody can get my skill for thee same price; and a good many people could probably get it cheaper."
    • Did you know that the brilliant, acerbic Shaw actually spent part of his youth expounding from the top of a soapbox to anybody who'd walk by? I kid you not. And he didn't leave home until he was about 30. Would Terman have accepted him as a child into his gifted study? Did anybody who stopped to listen and argue with Shaw on his soapbox think he'd be a great man of literature? Probably not even his mother.

      The point is, if exceptionally high IQ always leads to greatness, this earth we'd be populated by lots of great people right now. Hmmm. Maybe it is; we just haven't met them on tribe yet.
  • My first test was taken at 15 my second was at 27. I score above 135 (I'm not giving my score) and I feel that I have not even come close to greatness.

    The nature vs. nurture point is very valid. My parents and my Godfather died when I was 8 and I was left with my bio mother who neglected me then gave me to the state. This left me with none of the opportunities my parents would have provided me. The original plan was home school (when I went into kindergarten, they asked me to count to 100, I did and then asked if they wanted me to do any addition, subtraction, multiplication or division. I had been doing long division as a game with my fathers friend. They didn‘t know what to do with me, so they ignored me), private instruction, maybe private school then Vassar then Yale. My father used to get me into anything he could to encourage my "mind Olympic training" as he called it. It didn't happen because they all died in a plane crash.

    So, and it's not meant to be a sob story, here I am living in Portland, practicing massage, writing poetry, producing and promoting music events and philosophizing with my friends over coffee and drinks. A far cry from the vision of a surgeon from the Ivy League...

    My cousin on the other hand, is another story. He read the dictionary by 3 1/2, the Encyclopedia Britannica by 4 and was composing music by 5. He was raised by my aunt and uncle to be Zen Buddhist and vegetarian. Was never skipped ahead and instead was the teacher's assistant for all the advanced classes through school. He got all his credits by teaching. I remember when I was a Junior in HS, he rambled off all the planets and the atmospheric make up of Neptune and Venus and then compared the two, he was 9. An amazing genius! He just had his 5th symphony performed by the University Wisconsin Madison Student Orchestra for their final. It was the first time they performed a students piece.

    I can truly say it is a nature vs. nurture issue and that no, IQ does not always lead to greatness but it almost always leads to madness sooner or later.
    • I have a pretty high IQ, but I think IQ tests mostly measure our ability to take IQ tests.

      I have been considered a very imaginitive/creative person, but I think there's very little on the IQ tests I took that required imagination or creative solutions.

      OTOH, I've also been described as a workaholic, and I don't think that someone can necessarily be expected to work hard at mental tasks just because tests come easily.

      In summary, I have a hight IQ, I'm imaginitive and I work my ass off.
      So I should be successful... right? Guess again.

      Maybe they should just skip the IQ tests and cut right to some way of testing kids to see how much income their parents have.

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