I was talking to a friend from work tonight and aparantley she has not had sex with her husband for 2 months. She said that the whole lack of sex issue has been going on for about a year and she doesn't know what to do anymore. they've had conversations, but he ends up angry because he feels attacked. She's tried doing sexy, out of the ordinary things, but he tends to respond minimally, leaving her feeling rejected and ultimately turned off. and she suggested going to therapy but he feels that it is "unethical" to use his work insurance for marraige counselling. sounds like an excuse if you ask me.
I didn't know what to tell her because i'm not married and if it had happened to me with a boyfriend i would just leave him and move on. but they're married with kids, so it's not that simple. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I didn't know what to tell her because i'm not married and if it had happened to me with a boyfriend i would just leave him and move on. but they're married with kids, so it's not that simple. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 7:42 PMshe should stop pursuing him. back off. don't pressure him. if a guy feels pressured to have sex, he might back away because he might feel as though he's lost control...or that he's just some sort of sex object. and that can sometimes be a turn off. after an appropriate amount of time has passed, have her send the kids off to camp and do something special with him...take him out of town for a few days...break the routine...he'll come around...just make sure he has to work for it. -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 7:59 PMfirst off, let me say my spelling sucks this time of night so I'll correct myself now...MARRAIGE!
anyway, I think you have a good point and I definatley see where you're coming from. however, usually, this is something that applies to people who are just beginning to date. I would think that once you are married that all of the gender roles don't apply so much because you're in a partnership and in love. then again, I could be wrong, I come from a more modern family than some.
i guess my other question for you would be, if nothing ends up working and the situation only stays the same or gets worse, what would you do? would you leave? would you cheat? Or would you stay in it for whatever reason and continue to allow your self-esteem to slip and sex-life to remain non-existant? -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 8:48 PMI think it's difficult for men to evolve into that new role. Long term relationship or not, I think sex is more exciting if you have to at least work a little for it. My ex-wife used to constantly throw herself at me...something I thought at first was great, but after a while I suppose I started to take it for granted....kinda like, hey, I don't have to make any effort here because I know the second I want to have sex, she'll be available for me. I know, that's not the best attitude to have, but I've learned from that mistake.
so if nothing ends up working, I'd be totally open and frank with the spouse. tell him what you need, but don't make him feel obligated to see things your way, or feel obligated to have sex with you just to appease you. show him what you want. hell, masterbate in front of him if necessary. get a haircut. buy some new outfits that put emphasis on your good parts. just do something different. take care of yourself and your self esteem.
if all else fails, tie him up and have your way with him. -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 8:52 PMi find that interesting how you're preferences about sexual advances changed overtime in your marraige. isn't it funny how the things that once attracted us to one another eventually repulse us. -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 8:54 PMyes, scary actually... like I said, I learned my lesson. ;-) -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 8:57 PMso since this is a psych. tribe and we're talking about mistakes made and learned from, do you think that most of them can be attributed to personality or misinformation? even though alot of people make mistakes, when it comes to personal relationships, most of the time I think people already know better on some level but refuse to recognize it. is this a lesson that can be learned or a default of personality that will continue in the future?
in other words, do you think personality is stagnant or able to be changed? -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 9:07 PMthat all depends on the behavior.
in my case, I think most of my mistakes regarding relationships were due to my personality flaws....in the past, I continually allowed myself to remain trapped in relationships that I probably had a pretty good idea wouldn't work out....having said that, I don't think personality traits remain stagnant at all....there are plenty of things I used to do 10 years ago that are no longer part of my personality today. -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 9:18 PMah yes, of course. it may seem as though behaviors have changed, but haven't issues stayed the same? and in fact the only thing that is different is maturity. in other words, your actions may change because new and more mature life circumstances may not allow for the old ones to exist, however, the motives behind your behaviors, whether more mature or not, seem to remain the same, do they not? -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 9:34 PMnah...maturity changed a good portion of my motives with regard to my behavior in relationships. granted, a lot of my "motives" have also stayed the same...of course, I'd like to think that the good ones remain and the bad ones are gone....but who's to say? -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 9:51 PMgood conversation... mind if i send in invite to be friends? -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 10:06 PMno way, girls have cooties.
just kiddin...
heh, about that maturity thing.....
i'd be honored...please send the invite. -
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 10:17 PMhey, you know girls are always WAY more mature than boys!
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Thu, February 10, 2005 - 11:26 PM>he feels that it is "unethical" to use his work insurance for marraige counselling
Maybe he thinks it's more ethical to use it for counseling for the kids after Mom & Dad split?
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Fri, February 11, 2005 - 2:13 PMTHANKYOU! exactly my fucking point -
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Sat, February 12, 2005 - 5:02 PMI'd tell her not to hold her breath. My first husband did not like sex and it never got better no matter what I did. It wasn't about me, it was about his own issues. I found out later that he never did like sex, even in high school, when most boys are frenzied.
Telling HER to do something is lame. You make it sound like it's her fault. Like the spouse of an alcoholic can change his behavior.
I'd tell her to get counseling herself, if he won't go. -
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Sat, February 12, 2005 - 5:30 PMstress. depression, and/or resentment kill sex drive for most people. (not sure what the case is for these two) There are countless reasons, but these are pretty common, i think.
couseling is very important. if he won't go, perhaps he is not even admitting there is a problem ..yet.
yeah, palma, some people just have different sex drives. perfectly natural. maybe they could talk about alternatives that meet her needs like polyamory. in ANY case, they need counseling, it seems.
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Sun, February 13, 2005 - 12:44 PMgood conversation... and who's to say how a mariage "should be"??? I've known couples whose marriage is built on friendship and sex is not an issue...
but like was mentioned earlier, I think placing marriage in traditional boxes might be an issue so maybe polyamory is a new option to pursue?
What does Sex with Sue always say... we are responsible for our own sex needs...
I would say if they have communication and are talking about sex then that is good... but talking to another person often helps.. whether professional or not
when my wife had a miscarriage, it took time and communication before her sex drive changed...
also, acknowledgement of one's needs to oneself and one's partners is important...
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Fri, February 18, 2005 - 10:29 AMShe should get a hand-held clit vibrator.
The advice to back off him is a good one. When guys pull away, you just have to let them figure it out and they will bounce back.
I know from personal experience when I feel stressed, tense or blah, I have no libido. -
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Sat, February 19, 2005 - 6:39 AMI'm in a similiar situation now. It does ruin the self-esteem. I feel like he doesn't want anything to do with me...Do I stink? Is it because I have gained weight? am I so ugly? Does he want someone else? Are my breasts too saggy?
I am forced to take care of my own sexual needs, which doesn't do much for our relationship. -
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Sat, February 19, 2005 - 7:27 AMAimee, my husband was comfortable letting me believe that his lack of interest was my fault, and I accepted it for a long time. It turned out that he never was very sexual, even with gorgeous women. He's pretty defensive about it..but I don't blame myself anymore. It's hard to imagine someone not liking sex, especially a man. I do know quite a few wowmen who don't, and I also find that incomprehensible, but more common.
I wish I had some advice... I don't.
I do know you can't change another person but you can change your own attitude. Which is not much help in relieving "tension" but it does remove resentment. -
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Sat, February 19, 2005 - 2:41 PMYeah don't believe the hype about men being "machines". I heard a survey that 15% of men and 30% of women have little or no sex drive.
Plus if he once HAD a sex drive but now doesn't there are probably some emotional and/or communication issues involved like some previous posters have mentioned. If the guy cares about his marriage he WILL go to counseling and get over his possible male ego issues. -
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Sun, February 20, 2005 - 8:22 AMyou are right , Jeff, I wasn't clear about that. If he HAD a stong libido and lost it, then it probably is physical, emotional etc. and can be helped.
If he never did, then it is probably his nature and won't change.
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Sun, February 20, 2005 - 8:32 AMHey I just noticed... 2 months.. that's nothing!
maybe six months is a concern... but be sure everyone gives the couple a chance... and see that his and her timelines are considered...
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Sun, August 14, 2005 - 10:17 AMWhat would you say if the marriage NEVER really has had sex? Cialis, Levitra, Viagra, so far, nothing helps. He is not into oral, and nothing I have tried works. He says he wants to, but can't maintain an erction. He doesn't want to go implant route. We have been together 5 years. He isn't very experienced, and has a lingerie thing going, but, even if I use THAT, nothing helps. The doctor says there is no physical reason for his lack of preformance. I love him very much. He is 16 years older then me, 57- 41. Usually, I am ok with it, but, I DO want to have sex. I am this close to cheating, but don't want to do it cause I love him so very much. Can someone help me? -
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Sun, August 14, 2005 - 8:11 PMSo what's the deal:
- Did you decide you wanted sex after marrying a sexless guy?
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- Did he change/decide he couldn't have sex after he got married?
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- Did you just not spend much time with him before getting married to notice this little detail prior to commiting to marriage?
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Mon, August 15, 2005 - 7:43 PMMy sympathies to you. I wonder if there is something he is not telling you -- could he have a kinky side that he can't talk about or reveal? Could it be that he wants to wear the lingerie himself? I'm not being silly or sarcastic here -- I just know that sometimes people have fantasies or kinks that they are afraid to talk about but that have a real impact on their libido. Is he open to some counseling (individual or couples) so that he could talk about this in a safe environment? -
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 1:32 AMYou have some good points Deb! There could be so many issues tied to a sexless marriage. It's a very difficult thing to go thru. Repressed anger, levels of comfort or embarassment, control issues could be tied to it. Whatever is going in your life and in your mind comes out in your sexuality. The doors of communictaion have to be opened somehow, but he has to be ready. If he wont talk to you or go to a marriage counselor with you maybe he will do individual therapy. I know I lied my way thru marriage counseling because I didnt feel like I could be open in front of my husband. So, individual helped me open some huge doors and communicate with him better along the way. There's something your hubby needs to deal with and I wish both of you luck with this. -
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 11:13 AMYou all have made some good points. When I met my husband, I knew that he had some problems in bed, and I was willing to work with him.As for the lingerie thing, he mentioned once about the feel of it but, he doesn't wear it. I have suggested counciling, but he hasn't said one way or the other.I do my best not to confront him on this, and I try to be as understanding as possible when we DO talk about it. I just want him to know that I love him, no matter what, and I want to work this out WITH him. It is so frustrating. -
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 1:12 PMI'd encourage or even insist on counseling for him, you or both together. This is beyond your ability to work out without professional help. Being understanding, non-confrontational, wanting to work with him, etc. is putting you in a co-dependent position -- always putting his needs ahead of yours and thus, no consequences for him.
If you don't know how to deal with his resistance, I think finding your own therapist could help you learn how to not only deal with your own emotional issues around this, but also find a non-confrontational way to persist in getting your own needs met -- both him getting into counseling and resolving the no sex issue.
It is also extremely important to have his physical health checked out so that any medical reasons for this can be eliminated.
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Tue, August 16, 2005 - 9:36 PM<<When I met my husband, I knew that he had some problems in bed, and I was willing to work with him>>
The point is, was he totally open and willing to be worked on? Or is this some idea you had that you could change things and make it all better after getting married?
If that's the way he was, and he's 57 and you're 40, it's highly unlikely that getting married would be a catalyst to him changing his ways - *if* in fact it's even physiologically possible for him.
Don't want to sound too negative, I'm merely trying to strike a more realistic tone here. -If you love him to bits, and that's the way he was before you decided to marry him, you have to accept him for what he is, even if he doesn't (or can't) change.
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